After my meeting with APO, the Judges, and DA, a small victory.  We are not required to read or advise of probation/parole conditions.  At sentencing, the Judges will make sure each person gets a copy of the conditions and put in the Order that they have received them.  Nicole

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Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone I think you can also do what you can to try to make the eagle choke on its meal. :)

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Date: 7/22/21 7:30 AM (GMT-05:00)
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Lycoming County is on the same page-- Judges Ordering us to do it.  In fact I got an email from a Judge yesterday Ordering that for a bench warrant hearing today, I determine if it will be a plea, and if so, I get to the jail, complete a guilty plea colloquy and review our new parole/probation conditions colloquy and sign it and have him sign it.  I have never met the client and have a full schedule until the hearing.  I have a meeting with the judges this morning to address their insane reaction.  Love the new- - not at sentencing argument and intend to use it this morning at my meeting.  I've already argued that it creates a conflict.  Thanks, Dave for all the great suggestions.  Sometimes all you can do, as the mouse, is flip off the eagle before it eats you.    Nicole

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That is infuriating. Good idea from Dave Crowley.

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> Elizabeth, when our president judge came up with a similar rule I said fine but we are conflicting any revocation that comes out of this because you just made us a witness.  the rule was rescinded.
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> Under Koger reasoning the Judge ordered me to go to the jail and read my client his parole rules as a condition of his release from jail. I argued that this does not fall under Koger as this is not a sentencing. Additionally, I am not the enforcer of the rules and have not done that nor should I do that. He said if I do not do it my client will not get out of jail my choice. What can I do about this? Can I appeal this? If I read him the rules as Im planning on doing so my client does not remain incarcerated can I still appeal? I should note this does not happen to other attorneys. I was told this is the new way after Koger get use to it.
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